I’m anti-mirror Lorca around here - you probably could guess though. Any positive qualities he exhibits are quite secondary to him being the worst.
Open to being pro-prime Lorca if we get to see him and he’s better than portrayed in Drastic Measures (maybe as portrayed in some of the best prime Lorca fics), but until then…
I’m pretty pro-Lorca (in a “I like the character” way not in a “I’m going to woobify this character and excuse his actions” way) and I’ve followed both of you knowing you’re anti-Lorca without needing anything tagged. I guess I’ve never found anything you’ve wrote inflammatory enough.
the thing that makes Julian Bashir a Truly Great character is the fact that the writers of DS9 fully understood how fucking annoying he is.
i ordinarily hate the trope where someone is a professional ~genius while being a jackass in their personal life, but DS9 found a perfect balance with Bashir because his behavior is the butt of the joke. (also, his day-to-day obnoxiousness is pretty lighthearted, more like an annoying coworker than a genuinely damaging person.) he’s a dweeby LARPer with an overinflated ego, and his ridiculous flirting is intentionally cringeworthy. but at the same time, the show avoids that Sherlock thing where he’s ~forgiven for some social transgression because he Saved The Day. they just make it clear that he’s simultaneously an immature idiot and extremely good at his job.
i just watched the s5 episode “Nor the Battle to the Strong” (EXCELLENT ep, btw), and it has such a great balance between the two sides of his personality. it opens with Bashir bragging about some scientific achievement while teenage Jake Sisko rolls his eyes in the background, but once they end up in serious danger, it’s like a switch flips. he becomes efficient, professional and brave, without any grandstanding. so while most of the time he’s a cheerful disaster zone, he can be a perfect starfleet officer when he needs to be.
one of the things that makes Julian Bashir both a great doctor AND a Human Disaster is that he is incredibly resistant to being disliked
by which I mean: when people find Julian Bashir super annoying he doesn’t factor it into his subsequent behavior
most of us are bothered if we feel that someone dislikes us. we either try to change our behavior to be more likeable or we dislike and/or avoid that person in turn. not Julian Bashir though
when patients are acting out and higher-ups are being d*cks he doesn’t take it personally, he’s just like “k cool, you hate me, that’s your prerogative, you still need to take your medicine” and Gets The Job Done with a minimum of drama and/or House-style assholery. but then in social situations he’s just this obliviously annoying twerp who Can’t Take A Goddamn Hint. hence exchanges like this:
Garak: Doctor, did anyone ever tell you that you are an infuriating pest?
Bashir: Chief O'Brien, all the time, and I don’t pay any attention to him either.
in other words: Excellent Doctor Skills, Terrible People Skills
I also think too that, in the episodes where his genius is useful (like in The Quickening), the focus isn’t so much on him and what an awesome genius he is but on the horrific situation he’s dealing with and the people who are now subject to his terrible people skills because he’s trying to save their lives.
Now that I think about it, Bashir was one of my first dude crushes and I wonder if his immaturity was why 12-year-old me could relate to him so much.
agreed I think that focus on actually saving lives rather than flaunting his genius is what saves Bashir as a character
and for the record I am a nearly twenty eight and I still relate to Bashir 110% but more than that I actually like him. I remember that interview with Andy Robinson where he jokes “Bashir is such a loser!” and I thought, but what I like about him is that he’s a good loser. he’s a good sport. he’s sporting. he’s a dude who read kipling’s “If—” and took it to heart. I think that’s why he ended up winning O’Brien over, especially when they played games together
I mean yeah he can be an immature ass but unlike your average Douchey Supergenius he’s willing to learn and be challenged, he’s arguably the most generous-minded and forgiving character on the show, and he never lets his pride get in the way of his compassion
in summary: Julian Bashir is a Good Dude and Good Friend has lots of admirable qualities apart from being a Dreamy Giraffe Prince and no one can tell me otherwise
I like Bashir also, just for different reasons than I did then.
I love how Star Trek’s supposed to take place hundreds of years in the future, but the costumes completely give away the decade each series was made. Like, you could be totally unfamiliar with Trek but watch any show and know exactly when it’s from. There’s no subtlety, and it’s wonderful. In the future, women wear beehive hairdos, miniskirts, go-go boots, and extreme winged eyeliner + thick blue eyeshadow! Oh, but a hundred years after that people start feathering and fluffing their hair, and women wear workout video-esque leotards. And now, look! Baywatch swimsuits! There’s an alien woman with the Rachel from Friends haircut! The future! Yeah!
I wonder what people a couple decades from now are gonna think when they look back on Discovery, and the Chris Pine AOS movies
I have heard jokes about how the first AOS movie takes place in a late 2000’s Apple Store
I think Disco’s athletic/leisurewear tendencies – Michael and Tilly’s exercise outfits, Ash’s angsty hoodie, plus the uniforms were inspired by … was it Lululemon? Anyway, that’s one of the things which I suspect will date it.
(But it’s hard to tell when you’re in that moment; I definitely remember comparing Voyager to TOS and thinking that at least 90s fashions are timeless.)
The Elon Musk reference will date it more than anything else I think.
I love how Star Trek’s supposed to take place hundreds of years in the future, but the costumes completely give away the decade each series was made. Like, you could be totally unfamiliar with Trek but watch any show and know exactly when it’s from. There’s no subtlety, and it’s wonderful. In the future, women wear beehive hairdos, miniskirts, go-go boots, and extreme winged eyeliner + thick blue eyeshadow! Oh, but a hundred years after that people start feathering and fluffing their hair, and women wear workout video-esque leotards. And now, look! Baywatch swimsuits! There’s an alien woman with the Rachel from Friends haircut! The future! Yeah!
I wonder what people a couple decades from now are gonna think when they look back on Discovery, and the Chris Pine AOS movies
I have heard jokes about how the first AOS movie takes place in a late 2000’s Apple Store
I think Disco’s athletic/leisurewear tendencies – Michael and Tilly’s exercise outfits, Ash’s angsty hoodie, plus the uniforms were inspired by … was it Lululemon? Anyway, that’s one of the things which I suspect will date it.
(But it’s hard to tell when you’re in that moment; I definitely remember comparing Voyager to TOS and thinking that at least 90s fashions are timeless.)
The Elon Musk reference will date it more than anything else I think.